Sun, 10\/11\/2009 – 18:30 \u2014 ajohnson<\/span><\/p>\n Really? Do we have to have 100 million emails about a small incident between a member whose dog was tied too close to a hitching post, and another member who then tied their horse too near it… they didn’t get along, shame on both…. let’s move on and don’t do it again…. either of you.. the end….If it is really that dramatic, take it to a board meting and hash it out. Let the President\/Board decide on whatever the “issue” and “rule change is”. \u00a0This is soooo not fun and so overly dramatic, and last time I checked horses were supposed to be fun?My vote, let it go!!!!!! Going forward: don’t tie horses near dogs, don’t tie dogs near hitching posts…end of story….As for lawyers, I live with one, and you can run up thousands of dollars hashing out anything in court and both sides pay big fees… no one would win anything!! No damage- no winnings… The end… atleast please don’t email me anymore…<\/p>\n Thu, 10\/08\/2009 – 23:19 \u2014 cfulton<\/p>\n Therefore I suggest the Board consider banning all dogs from the Pear Orchard area.<\/p>\n Fri, 10\/09\/2009 – 16:17 \u2014 KimZvik<\/span><\/p>\n I agree.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\nBan Dogs from Pear Orchard<\/h3>\n
This is exactly what I offered to Heather after this incident and this wasn’t enough for her.\u00a0 I believe any rules about dogs should be for all dogs not just mine.\u00a0 This is one point Cheryl and I agree on.<\/p>\n
Sat, 10\/10\/2009 – 01:52 \u2014 Cheryl Ann Fulton<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
Rules for dogs<\/h3>\n\n\n\n
General rules should apply to all dogs. \u00a0However if a particular dog exhibits aggressive, out of control behaviors over an extended period of time that dog and owner should be dealt with individually.<\/p>\n
Sat, 10\/10\/2009 – 01:49 \u2014 Cheryl Ann Fulton<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
able to use this forum<\/h3>\n\n
Thank you Eddie and Alison. \u00a0This Discussion section was easy to find and use. \u00a0I hope members will use this and not email in the furture.<\/p>\n
Pear Orchard Incident<\/h3>\n
Thu, 10\/08\/2009 – 23:03 \u2014 rbenoit<\/span><\/p>\n\n
I’m sorry Kim but some of what you say here is incorrect. I don’t have anything against Willow but you can’t load the survey. See correction in CAPS belowIn early July, a member of OHA tied a horse up next to Willow in the Pear Orchard. This horse, WAS NOT DOG AGGRESSIVE IF ANYTHING IT WAS A VERY TOLERANT HORSE known to be dog aggressive, put his head down to Willow.<\/p>\n
Dogs&Horses<\/h3>\n
Thu, 10\/08\/2009 – 22:30 \u2014 kzvik<\/p>\n
Do you actually own your own dog and have walked up in the pasture on leash and had a horse put his head down and go after the dog?\u00a0\u00a0 I have and known which horses do this. \u00a0Ironically, this was the same horse which I hauled to Davis the week after.\u00a0 I was so mad, I almost didn’t but for the sake of OHA I did the right thing.Hopefully, the membership will also do the right thing and not subject my dog to risk.\u00a0 Or, to being put away.\u00a0\u00a0 He is a rescue dog and this breed is known for being very family safe. \u00a0Thanks,Kim<\/p>\n
Support Board<\/h3>\n
Thu, 10\/08\/2009 – 22:28 \u2014 cfulton<\/span><\/p>\n\n
The question posed on the survey is not easily answered by a yes or no.\u00a0 I support the Board’s decision.\u00a0 My opinion:Willow needs to be in Kim’s presence on a leash (and within eyesight) at all times when at OHA and not allowed to roam free. While Kim is out on a ride Willow should confined in a crate or car (on a cool day with proper ventilation should not be an issue-if it is leave the dog home).\u00a0 Not leaving a dog roaming around while a member is out on a ride applies to everyone.\u00a0 In Willow’s case when with Kim he also needs to be on a leash.\u00a0 Leaving him tied up somewhere while Kim is out on a ride and not able to control him is a proven hazard.\u00a0 There have been aggression problems with WIllow ongoing for years now.\u00a0 The Board has plenty of data. We have more than enough incidences with OHA members and people on the road whose dogs have been attacked by Willow to know he is a dog that needs to be completely supervised and under control at all times.\u00a0 The tie up spaces are meant for horses not dogs.\u00a0 Dogs should not be taking up space, especially in the PO or LP saddling area, intended for and needed by members for their horses.\u00a0 If a member ties up a dog, takes up space and goes out on a ride there is no way that dog can be moved if the space is needed by another member for their horse, especially in the event all more distant rails are occupied.\u00a0 Both of those areas are small and if there are 3 or more horses present there is already crowding and a need for extra vigilance.\u00a0 Adding a tied up, unattended dog to that mix is asking for trouble. My version of common sense.Cheryl<\/p>\n
Horses & Dogs<\/h3>\n
Thu, 10\/08\/2009 – 22:21 \u2014 cfulton<\/span><\/p>\n\n
Horses have every right to go after an animal they perceive as a predator.\u00a0 If someone does not want their dog charged they should keep the dog away from horses. Dogs are individuals and do not necessarily conform to the characteristics of their breed.<\/p>\n
Appeal to Board Before Survey<\/h3>\n
Thu, 10\/08\/2009 – 22:19 \u2014 kzvik<\/span><\/p>\n\n
Hi Eddie,I did appeal to the board and a board member informed me this issue was not reheard in spite of the data I emailed including offering to attend the meeting.\u00a0 So, this poll is completely valid.Also, it is amazing that members didn’t know that Spice was dog aggressive or that there were other posts to tie to.\u00a0 So, obviously, much information was left out. \u00a0Now, let’s imagine that this was 2 horses.\u00a0 Should Camou be tied if he nips at another horse at a tie rail?\u00a0 Or, should the owner be more vigilant and not tie the horses too close together?\u00a0 This is exactly the case here.Thanks,Kim<\/p>\n
Poll<\/h3>\n
Thu, 10\/08\/2009 – 22:17 \u2014 kzvik<\/span><\/p>\n\n
Hi OHA,Please see the link below to decide on an issue regarding my dog Willow.http:\/\/www..surveymonkey.com\/s.aspx?sm=OghdLD0msGlMjYePseJG8g_3d_3d<\/a>Thanks,Kim<\/p>\n
Assumption of Risk<\/h3>\n
Thu, 10\/08\/2009 – 21:46 \u2014 clarner<\/span><\/p>\n\n
I consulted one of the attorneys I work with who has done extensive litigation and agrees with me.\u00a0 This situation is “assumption of the risk.”\u00a0 No court would find the dog owner culpable.\u00a0 The horse owner tied a horse up next to a dog that was already there and which she was aware of.\u00a0 The horse owner “assumed the risk” for any behavior that happend between the animals.\u00a0 The fact that there were other spots to tie the horse up would further support the free choice involved.<\/p>\n
Spice and dogs<\/h3>\n
Thu, 10\/08\/2009 – 21:11 \u2014 rbenoit<\/span><\/p>\n\n
Kim,Because you CC’d the whole proprietary Mship on this I have to reply to all even though I don’t think they want to be subjected to this.YES, I own my own dog and, NO, I have NEVER had a horse go after my dog (two dogs BTW). I HAVE seen dogs go after horse though.But that is NOT the issue. You mischaracterized the horse in question – SPICE – as being dog aggressive. This is patently untrue and I wish you had not taken it upon yourself to add that false information. I feel for you and your dog but it is not right for you to mischaracterize.- Renee<\/p>\n
Pear Orchard Incident<\/h3>\n
Thu, 10\/08\/2009 – 21:08 \u2014 hpineda<\/span><\/p>\n\n
Up to this point I have refrained from entering this fray.\u00a0 However, now that Kim’s survey has been condoned by the President, I feel I must correct inaccuracies in Kim’s portrayal of the event.First of all, Spice has never been aggressive toward dogs, as his owners and sponsors will attest. On the day in question, I brought two horses out of the Pear Orchard and tied them at the tie rail.\u00a0 Willow was tied on one side of the tie rail.\u00a0 I tied Spice as FAR from Willow as I possibly could.Willow was obviously nervous at being left alone in an unfamiliar place with people he considered strangers nearby.\u00a0 Willow attacked with NO provocation from the horse.\u00a0 Willow’s bite to Spice’s nose drew blood.\u00a0 Had it been any other horse, it is likely the attack would have caused the horse to attempt to flee and caused serious bodily injury to both the horse and my daughter, who was standing close to Spice.\u00a0 Fortunately, Spice was an uncommonly rational horse and only pulled back for about 30 seconds before we calmed him down. I consider it very lucky that Willow did not attack my daughter.Please recall that Willow has a history of attacking other animals.\u00a0 A few years ago, Willow repeatedly attacked dogs belonging to local residents who walk down El Toyonal.\u00a0 After numerous incidents, the residents threatened to call Animal Control and the police.\u00a0 The Board requested that Kim restrain her dog or that he wear a muzzle.\u00a0 Kim complied for a while, but then began letting Willow run loose again.\u00a0 Very recently,\u00a0 Willow tried to attack my new dog.\u00a0 In my opinion, a dog that has bitten other animals or people cannot be trusted in public, no matter how much training he has had.\u00a0 Having Willow run loose, or be tied in areas where he can intimidate or attack others, in my opinion is an unacceptable risk to members of OHA, our horses, and the public.The Board did not tell Kim to keep her dog in a car on a hot day.\u00a0 It is ludicrous to state that the Board is advocating putting an animal at risk.The Board made several suggestions to Kim, including that she put her dog in a crate which can be left outside in the shade with water provided.\u00a0 Kim has a number of options to choose from that will meet the intention of the Board’s action. \u00a0Heather Pineda \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Timeline\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Willow tied to PO hitching post closest to gate, Kim goes riding Alison visited Pear Orchard; only one horse, Willow seemed fine\u00a0\u00a0 Heather (with Bella) arrives at Pear Orchard, Willow seems nervous\u00a0\u00a0 Heather and Bella bring Spice, Peppymint and Kajima down to the saddling area\u00a0\u00a0 Peppymint and Kajima are tied to posts, Spice to the other end of the hitching rack\u00a0\u00a0 Willow jumps out and bites Spice on the nose (drawing blood)\u00a0\u00a0 Spice pulls back violently, attempting to get away from Willow.\u00a0 Heather is able to calm him down before he is further injured.<\/p>\n
Willow Comments<\/h3>\n
Thu, 10\/08\/2009 – 21:06 \u2014 kzvik<\/span><\/p>\n\n
1) my dog couldn’t get his nose next to Spice’s if Spice was tied correctly2) Heather, like Renee, didn’t have a new dog until recently so has no idea about how Spice is around dogs3) My dog would pee before ever attacking a human as I have a 6 year old who crawled over him pulling his flank and stomach over the last 4 years4) He has never bitten only nipped other dogs when play THREE YEARS AGO5) He didn’t attack her new dog as I was there.\u00a0 He sniffed.\u00a0 That was it – hello in dog language6) Heather bears a grudge against me after the issue in 2006 when she was on the board7) Heather has some childhood wounds that make her need for control tantamountThanks,Kim<\/p>\n
Mothe<\/h3>\n
Thu, 10\/08\/2009 – 21:03 \u2014 cfulton<\/span><\/p>\n\n
Willow aggressively attacked Mothe snarling, teeth bared and pinned him to the ground, not in play and not nipping, several times inAugust 2006.\u00a0 As I recall Kim agreed to try a shock collar after those attacks but that has not provided a permanentsolution.<\/p>\n
ASPCA and dogs in cars<\/h3>\n
Thu, 10\/08\/2009 – 21:00 \u2014 clarner<\/span><\/p>\n\n
The ASPCA has stated in written communications that it is not ok to leave dogs in cars.\u00a0 Also, it is foolish to tie any horse up very closely next to someone elses dog.\u00a0 This is just common sense since confined animals could do anything if they feel threatened.\u00a0 The dog was already there so tieing a horse up right next to the dog was simply not smart.\u00a0 I don’t think the dog is at fault here.\u00a0 At fault is the person who tied the horse up right next to the dog.\u00a0 There were other options to tie the horse up to a more distant rail. Let’s try to use some common sense.\u00a0\u00a0 —Christie<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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